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[NMLUG] Re: Linux Advocacy FAQ is NOT Linux Advocacy Maxim (Robert Delahunt)
Robert wrote:
>On Wednesday 01 September 2004 12:00 pm, nmlug-request@nmlug.org wrote:
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>>Because adherence to the Linux Advocacy FAQ seems to be "required" for
>>those who wish to participate in the nmlug channel on Freenode, I gave
>>it a read today.
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>>Here are my thoughts:
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>>While I agree, in principal, with almost everything put forward in this
>>little doc, I do not wish to adhere to it.
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>Then I guess you don't have to "participate". It's exactly that: principal.
>I refuse to have people bashing distributions and/or other software vendors
>or coders. I refuse to have my channel end up like #debian on Freenode.
>However, I also refuse to have an argument over the NMLUG mailing list as
>well.
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You are the channel creator, but it is titled "nmlug". I like to feel
like I'm a part of the lug. Perhaps you should rename the channel and
let someone else take over #nmlug. :)
The only reason it's in the mailing list, is that this is the primary
forum for the lug. I wasn't trying to call you on the carpet. Sorry if
that's how you took it.
>>My reasons are simple:
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>>In my opinion, Linux is good. Windows is not as good as Linux.
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>Depends.
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Nope. That is, in fact, my opinion.
>>I wish
>>to express my opinion, to whomever would bother to listen or who cares
>>to listen, in whatever way I see fit.
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>Yes, and it's just as much your right to do so as it is mine to filter you
>out.
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Yup. And if more than one member of the LUG should come forward and say
"I think we should ask people to leave the IRC channel if they don't
adhere to the Advocacy Mini-Howto," then I can see how your right to
filter would be enforced there.
>>I can bring myself to edit my
>>language, the use of vulgarities is not important to me - but I cannot
>>bring myself to edit my opinions simply to avoid the chance of offending
>>someone.
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>That wasn't the point of the Advocacy FAQ either. It was to remind us, in
>general, that we are ambassadors of freedom to choose, not zealots who hide
>in an obscure OS and troll the internet.
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The Advocacy FAQ directs people to discuss Linux in THIS way and not
THAT way. It directs people to focus on certain aspects and not on
others, etc. etc.
I would rather speak plainly, an use hyperbole, if I wish - use "M$", if
I wish.
>>Truth be know, I am offended that I would be asked to edit my opinion at
>>all, especially in an "Open Source" discussion channel. Seems a bit odd!
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>And it seems a bit odd that they would include this Advocacy FAQ in nearly all
>major distributions, in the documentation section. At least Slackware does.
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The "everybody is doing it" argument doesn't really work for me.
>>Call me a crazy American, but I dislike the Thought Police and I refuse
>>to join up.
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>Then don't join. I never forced you to.
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I wanted to, since I usually hang out on IRC all day, anyway, and I like
talking with LUG members. :)
>>I am counting the days/minutes/whatever until I am thrown out of the IRC
>>channel for using 'hyperbole' or 'exaggeration' or deciding that I want
>>to say "I don't like Windows, and I think it stinks, no matter what the
>>technology is like, because the company is a champion of mediocrity" -
>>which might violate section 6, the "Canons of Conduct".
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>I never said I'd kick you for voicing your opinion.
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True. You said "asked to leave". If I am asked to leave, I will.
>>Of course, there's nothing stopping anyone from setting up a new
>>channel. #nmlug_freespeech anyone?
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>Of course, it's your "right".
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Why do you enquote "right"? I do, or do not have a right to free
speech. I may not have a right to speak freely in #nmlug, but it is
still my right. Quotes aren't necessary.
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